9:30 PM – CONTINUING DAY TWO COVERAGE IN THE COMMENTS SECTION OF THIS POST.
I don’t know about you, but I thought yesterday was great fun.
The Patriots didn’t make a first round pick for the first time since 2000, but did make three trades that left them with eight selections in the top 100 of the draft. And thanks to Friday’s trade up rumors, they were in the thick of it from the top ten through the sixty-fourth selection late last night.
It’s pretty clear now (it always is, after the fact) that the Patriots went into the draft thinking that its real value was in its second and third rounds. That there wasn’t a dime’s worth of difference between the top prospects and those on the next level down. Unless you’re counting real dimes.
Only time will tell if they were right, as they passed on chatted-up prospects like OT Michael Oher (once), LB Clay Matthews (twice), LB James Laurinaitis and LB Rey Maualuga (three times apiece).
Even as they backed away from first-round contracts, they had no such trepidation on second-round deals as they selected four players in the second for the first time in my memory, and probably ever.
I did a little fist pump when they chose Patrick Chung, the strong safety from Oregon, with their first selection (#34, making it official – it was Cassel and Vrabel for Chung, though having the 34th pick was certainly a key to their first-round trade backs, and the addition of two more Top 100 picks). He was a favorite here throughout the process, for the obvious Rodney Harrison-replacing reasons.
The Pats will now have three front-line safeties under extended contracts, and each of them will be 25 or younger.
Ron Brace was another who caught our attention as he has all the size and run-plugging qualities needed for a 3-4 nose in the Pats system. This isn’t a sexy pick but it addresses a need, both for depth as well as protection against the unlikely event that Vince Wilfork cannot be resigned after next season.
I heard from quite a few Pats fans who would have warmly welcomed Darius Butler as the team’s 23rd pick, so they have to be thrilled to see him picked at 41. Mike Mayock has consistently said Butler was the best zone corner available, and Pro Football Weekly had him rated as the 14th best player in the draft.
No one else did, evidently, but no matter – what’s interesting here is that the Pats add another young corner to the Wheatley/Wilhite combo last year, which should give the team a cushion behind the Bodden-Hobbs-Springs veteran group. We’ll see if this leads to an improved secondary next year, but at the least, they have some depth to protect against the possibility that both Hobbs and Bodden leave after next year.
By the way, you cannot fault the Patriots for not addressing their secondary this off-season. Two front-line veterans and now a second-round corner have been added.
It will also be fun to see what the Pats do with Butler – he’s two-wayed as a receiver at UConn, and he can return kicks. I’d say there’s a decent chance that Chung, Brace and Butler will all find their way to the field next season.
That may not happen with Sebastian Vollmer, the developmental tackle chosen with pick 58. Like Shamwow Vince says, you know the Germans always make good stuff, but ten bucks to you if you saw this one coming in the second round. He is incredibly massive, but I guess the question will be his feet and mobility. He’ll probably play on the right side, at least until they find out. The Pats were right to grab a tackle yesterday, and we’ll see if Vollmer has the stuff to be the starter when Nick Kaczur plays out his contract.
Now the third round begins with the Pats in possession of the 9th, 19th, 25th and 33rd picks. I favor some receiving help, perhaps an inside backer, a d-end developer, and as always offensive line. Follow along with us in the comments section below.
Scott Benson can be reached at scott@patriotsdaily.com
Just flipped 73 into Jax’s second rounder next year. They could finish fourth in that division next year behind Indy, Tenn and Houston. If they get as lucky as they did with SF, the trade could make that pick 30-35 slots higher next year in what’s said to be a better draft.
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Glad they traded up. I was worried they wouldn’t get future picks and would end up with some kind of a fire sale to ditch picks later today.
Ingrams’ still available for the TE spot. For LBs, there’s Jason Phillips (not my favorite), McKenzie, Brinkley and Sidbury.
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WR Mike Thomas, too, Chris. You were high on him, right?
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I like him a lot, and I’d like the value in the mid-third.
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Twitter says its WR Brandon Tate at 83. Chris you had him on your board back in the mid-day group. I remember reading something about him this week having some issue. Not the knee but something off-field. Off to Google.
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Pick 83 overall: Brandon Tate. Even though i had him on my board, I did NOT see that coming. This pick epitomizes how the Patriots front office views outside opinions: they don’t.
The only test Tate has undergone due to a nasty knee injury has been a drug test, which he passed (if “passed” means “tested positive for marijuana”). Everyone outside of Foxboro has talked about the need for an outside linebacker. They disagree.
I like this pick, despite the uncertainty. Great punt returner, solid kick returner. Pats take him a little higher than I had him, but he has huge potential.
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Sigh, NFL Draft Scout says he’s raw as a receiver, both running routes and catching the ball. I was hoping they’d get a receiver that was more ready to play.
Google says positive piss test at the Combine.
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He’s a future pick. Wouldn’t be surprised if he sat out this year for a full rehab of the knee he injured last fall. Because, really, what better way to get off the ganja than spending a lot of time at home on the couch?
Just kidding. Again, it’s a pick with lots of potential.
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Well, listening to Mayock talk about it puts a little more positive spin on it. He says with the knee he may PUP, “this is a pick for 2010”. Says Tate was on his way to first round pick this year before injury. “First round talent – best kick returner in the country”. Presented it like Belichick would red-shirt him this year to straighten him out and maybe end up with a player down the line. Gamble pick.
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WHOSE GONNA REPLAICE VRABES??
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The question of the day. If the Pats don’t get Sidbury, then I’m going to chalk it up to them seeing some things in the Woods/TBC/Redd trifecta that we don’t.
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I think I missed that angle in this morning’s summary – I don’t think we can draw any other conclusion than they think they’re going to get production from the players they have. I would think most people haven’t considered that possibility, especially with the Matthews and Barwin and so on out there. I’m going to guess that it means they think Pierre Woods is going to take a step forward this year, or maybe Redd, or maybe both. Maybe Crable had a year to fill out a little. Anyway, its clearly what they think, that they’re going with the players they have. We’ll start hearing about Taylor again but I think the more likely answer is they’re confident in the players they have now. Maybe Vrabel went in part because he would have probably kept some of the young players off the field next year.
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Okay, picks 89 and 97 up. After that, they don’t pick again until 170 (5th), then 207, 232, 234 (170, and 207 comp picks). Does this make it more likely or less likely that they’ll deal 89?
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Ooh, ooh, I know! More likely!
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more likely. Traded to Titans for a 2010 2nd rounder. We’ll be all over that AFC South this season.
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I like it. Two extra second-rounders in 2010, still three mandatory picks in this draft, which means no fewer than 8 rookies coming out of 2009. Makes sense.
To elaborate on beaker’s question: Jason Taylor could be in the mix here. NE simply doesn’t see the need for a rookie OLB that everyone else does.
Best OLBs left on my board: Sidbury, Lee Robinson, Phillip Hunt, Julius Williams. The last two would be a reach at 97, but I’m not putting anything past the Pats after the Vollmer pick. (Like Vollmer, Hunt also from Houston, so there’s inside info there.)
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Patriots Petition League To Trade Non-Tradeable Compensatory Pick
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LOL.
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Really puts them in good position next year to move up into the first if there’s someone they want.
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Are we missing a game show angle here? You get a bunch of average Joe and Jane Americans up there with Bill Cullen, trying to trade big chips backwards and getting better, bigger chips for the next game. Tack a showcase ending on there and you’ve got a show.
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I want Brinkley.
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Twitter says its Tyrone McKenzie at 97.
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But I’ll take McKenzie.
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Well, this is exciting. McKenzie has played just about every LB position and has the speed to cover from the ILB spot. Less of a thumper than Brinkley, but not undersized at 6-2, 243. Great value here, according to my board.
Listed as an OLB on ESPN, but I expect him to move to the middle.
So, thus far the Pats have a safety, a nose guard, a CB and a LB for their defense. Will an OLB prospect come out of this draft? Is beaker still breathing?
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He was on your early day two list. I didn’t realize he was at Michigan State and Iowa State before So. Florida. Is he going to play inside for the Pats (he played MLB at ISU)? He doesn’t come off as an OLB pass rusher.
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I think he will play the middle. He had great stats there at ISU (129 tackles) and has solid tackle-for-loss numbers from the OLB spot at USF (15 last year), but like you said isn’t a pass rusher (4.5 sacks in his career).
To me, this means he can rack up the tackles and will have unspectacular numbers in other categories, much like one Jerod Mayo. Not saying he’s the upcoming defensive ROY, but he could benefit from playing next to one.
I think the Pats’ pass rusher will come in the sixth or seventh round, if they don’t try to trade those seventh-rounders for future sixes. We are being consistently reminded that their glaring need at the OLB spot has been greatly exaggerated.
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I’m not sure the need has really been exaggerated though. They do have a need there. I think the issue is that most people, including me, didn’t think a whole lot about the possibility that they’d end up going with what they had . Its always been assumed – right through the Peppers stuff, the Taylor stuff, the draft run up – they were looking to fill that hole with new players. I don’t think we exaggerated the need as much as we underestimated Woods, Redd, Crable and the rest. I mean, that seems to be the Pats choice though, going with those players, and TBC, and we’ll see if they’re right.
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They really focused on the middle of the field with these defensive picks. SS, NG, ILB. Only Butler will line up outside the hash.
So they came into the draft with six first day picks in this draft, and they turned it into six players (four defense) and two second round picks next year.
As they stand now, they don’t pick for another seventy players. They’re completely out of the fourth round. I’m skeptical they’d trade a future to move up this year, especially when all they have this year to trade is a couple of sevenths.
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Agree on the lack of a trade up. Their next pick is a compensatory fifth, 170 overall, and with only two sevenths to trade, I assume they’re staying put. With the break, I’m going to run down the street and pick up a pizza. Be right back with some possibilities at 170.
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EDIT: Completely forgot about Brandon Tate. Already.
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I blame the cheeba. Memory is the first thing to go.
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RBs available: I was looking at Devin Moore and Tyrell Sutton here, but if Rashad Jennings or Andre Brown are still there, either one would be tough to pass up at 170. Also would love to see them pick Tony Fiammetta.
Tight ends, anyone? Plenty of guys to look at there.
Maybe a guard that needs some experience: Augustus Parrish, for example.
A little under 60 picks to go.
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or a QB
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Any chance that Tate’s positive test was a result of medical Marijuana??
No?
Oh.
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I think this Raiders draft is one for the books. Even for Al Davis.
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Meanwhile, I like what the (Jets) did.
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Wow. Just saw Vaughn Martin of Western Ontario going to San Diego. He’s a late seventh on my board. Wasn’t sure if he’d get drafted.
That’s what a crazy-good pro day will do. Hope he can adjust to that intolerable Southern Cal weather.
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Whatever I said about the Pats not making any more trades, I take it back.
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HOLY CRAP – HOBBS TRADED
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The Patriots have acquired two fifth round picks (137 and 141) from the Eagles in exchange for veteran CB Ellis Hobbs.
WOW
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Hobbs to Philly for two fifths (137 and 141 overall). Watch for a TE or another DB in the fifth if they don’t trade them for a future fourth.
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Rich Ornberger at 123 (still in fourth). Pats traded the Philly picks (137 and 141) with Baltimore for 123 and 193.
Ornberger’s an OT. Not on my board. I’ll get some more info on him and post in a bit.
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EDIT: the trade was for Baltimore’s 123 and 198.
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Along with Vollmer, Pro Football Weekly Draft Guide gives Ohrnberger “Best of the Rest” status. Not sure why the Pats continue to draft OL much higher than projected. Can’t see a rush on Ohrnberger, at least not before their next pick in the late fifth.
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Farewell Ellis…always played hard. I’ll miss the kickoff returns.
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Eveny year at this time I like to dispel the myth that the Patriots never draft the players they’re linked to in rumors, such as all-star game or Combine interviews, or pro days, and especially not the prospect visits that always conclude the process. Every year someone will think they’re making a good point by telling you this.
This year:
Patrick Chung, Brandon Tate, Tyrone McKenzie and Rich Ohrnberger all visited Foxborough for formal visits.
Darius Butler was scouted by Belichick at the much discusssed UConn pro day.
Point is that sometimes – not always, but sometimes – those rumors indicate they are genuinely interested in the player, and he could very well be a Pat on draft day.
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Fiammetta (Panthers) and Andre Brown (Giants) both gone late in the fourth. With a KR need, I’m looking hard at Devin Moore and Tyrell Sutton as KR/change-of-pace backs at 170.
Cornelius Ingram still up. I thought he’d be gone early in round three. Oops.
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looks like they already decided to keep Bodden over Hobbs in 2010
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guess so. I wasn’t aware Ellis was due 2.75M this year either. They saved 2.2M on the cap by trading him says Miguel. Bodden’s at 2.2M. Maybe it was an either/or thing, and when they got Bodden, that was it for Ellis. Reiss makes the point that having them both may hold back the yuounger players.
Tom Waddle just used the “I like what the (Jets) did” line.
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Cornelius Ingram to Philly. Great value in the fifth.
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Hey, I missed Troy Kropog by about sixty slots.
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also DJ Moore, who slid like a Flexible Flyer.
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Chris… any idea what is causing Ingram to drop this far?
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Two ideas here: his knee (despite solid workouts) is still a bit iffy, and he comes from a Florida offense that might not translate too well to the NFL. That’s all i can think of.
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And that’s what you get for commenting on the draft while watching the C’s..
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I know for me it was when I heard him described as an h-back, and that teams that wanted their tight ends to block should look elsewhere. I also know he had his ups and downs physically and mentally in school. But there were some great film clips on him as a receiver.
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You have to wonder if they have quarterback in this draft. Didn’t they work out the Michigan State guy Hoyer? And Chris’s guy Brandstater is still available.
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Great pick. I loved him in the Buddy Holly Story.
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Thanks for providing a laugh amidst my confusion at this pick.
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George Bussey. Another pick I don’t really know. I give up.
ESPN listed him as an OG, nfl.com has him as a TE.
NOT a good sign.
According to his Louisville player page, he’s an OG.
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I like to think we did okay with our read this time. We had Chung, Brace, Butler, Tate and McKenzie on our lists. That’s not too bad.
I think we struggled with offensive linemen in this draft.
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Actually, let me quote nfl.com on Bussey:
“There is no overview about this Prospect at this time.”
Awesome.
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I think that’s what they’ve had for every Raiders pick so far. It’s NFL.com’s cleaned up version of “WTF??”
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He’s a tough SOB… really kicked the sht out of Mel Gibson in Lethal Weapon.
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Brandstater to Denver. What can Josh McDaniels do with him?
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This might be off-topic, but is anyone else willing to call Paul Pierce a free-throw choker in this series?
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No.
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Fair enough.
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Houston gets Brice McCain, my sleeper CB pick. After the Butler selection yesterday I didn’t see NE getting him, but I think he’s going to help out the Texans.
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What the chance they trade out of the 198? They have a pick right after at 207.
This Sanchez kid has good poise on tv.
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This year? The chance is very high.
I’d like to see 198 and one of the sevenths traded for a future fifth. Might be too much to ask.
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http://www.patriots.com/team/index.cfm?ac=playerbio&bio=33659
George Bussey bio at patriots.com
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James Davis to Cleveland. Very nice sixth-round pick.
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Pats in the hole. How about Adrian Grady, the DT also from Lousiville? He’s the only guy left on their prospect visit list. Sized more like a DE.
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